Jesus (in physical), talking with a spirit who classified himself as a “manly man” in the 1st sphere

(Please Note: While Natalie was channelling this man, her demeanour changed considerably, and her voice deepened, and she sat upright with a very masculine manner.)

N. L. D./Man:     I speak because I can!  I have chosen, I have caused a little confusion, I must confess.  I do not think that it was … intended for me to speak now, but I chose to, because I have  … a some what forceful personality, and I have a couple of questions, I have been watching and listening and I want to know why you are doing this?  Why are you talking to all these different groups in the spirit world?  What’s in it for you? (Pause)

Jesus:                  Well, ah, the, …aside, …aside from a feeling of love towards these ones there is nothing in it for me.

N. L. D./Man:     You love all these different groups? You love those, in those dark places?  You love those such as me?  (Pause)

Jesus:                  What do you think about that?

N. L. D./Man:     I’m not sure I believe you!  I don’t see how anyone, anywhere could possibly be that loving, whoever they are!  I have heard the rumours about you!  Why?  That’s what puzzles me!  There are all these different experiences and I seem to have felt quite a few of them!  I don’t get what you’re doing at all!  It puzzles me, so, explain yourself further if you would, wouldn’t mind.

Jesus:                  Ok, I don’t mind. What would you like to know specifically? 

N. L. D./Man:     You claim to love all...  how can that be?

Jesus:                  Firstly, I know that every person who’s in the spirit world and also every person on the earth is my brother or sister, because God created me and you and every other person.  As we’re all, we’re all of his children and that makes me…

N. L. D./Man:     I AM NO CHILD!  That… no, some of us are grown-ups, some of us are adults. I am not sure about that…

Jesus:                  Some are thousands of years old, but they are all still children of God.

N. L. D./Man:     I do not view myself as a child.

Jesus:                  I know but that doesn’t change the fact that you are a child of God because God created you, and created me so therefore you and I are brothers (pause)

N. L. D./Man:    Continue please!

Jesus:                  Well, the way I see it is that if you and I are brothers and we are both children of God then my feelings towards you are very important and if I love God, in part, I would also have to, at some stage, generate a true love for you as well within my heart.

N. L. D./Man:     Why would you bother?  Why would you not just get on enjoying your life?

Jesus:                  Well I do enjoy my life, but part of the enjoyment of my life comes from showing love or feeling love transactions between people. Every person I meet I would like to feel emotions back and forth between…

N. L. D./Man:     Someone has just come and whispered in my ear that you are special.  Is this right?

Jesus:                  Well I, I don’t think that I’m special, I’m just the same as you can be, so, I feel love for everyone and you too can feel love for everyone too.

N. L. D./Man:     I can do that, but why would I want to?

Jesus:                  Well, it’s your choice, you don’t have to if you don’t want to!  But I can guarantee you there’s a lot of happiness that comes from that love.

N. L. D./Man:     Well although I must confess that I’m not sure I could describe myself as a happy person…  I make things happen.

Jesus:                  Yes I understand.

N. L. D./Man:     So if I wanted more happiness, I have to love everyone!  Is that what you’re saying?

Jesus:                  No you don’t, you don’t have to do anything.  In fact God, …God gave each of us free will.  Does that make sense?

N. L. D./Man:     Yes, I use my free will quite, quite well, thank you.

Jesus:                  So if you don’t want to do anything then you don’t have to do it obviously, but if you, at some point, want to bring more happiness into your life, then that can be done by exercising your free will in harmony with Love. Most pain, most unhappiness results from disharmony with love.  So whenever you feel feelings that are disharmonious with love that will cause you discomfort and hurt.

There are many, many things, many beautiful things that are far in advance than the locations that you currently exist in and one of the reasons why I like talking to my spirit friends is because many of them don’t know that there are things, way, way, way above them in a more blissful state, that they could experience.  Does that make sense?  And I would like, …I would like to actually help them get into those new places of existence, and become closer to God.  That’s what I, …that’s what I truly desire, and that’s what I desire for you.  I would like…

N. L. D./Man:     Really, really!

Jesus:                  Yes!

N. L. D./Man:     I know of many others, I move, I move to different locations where I am, I, I talk to many people, so, what would I need to do?  I’m, I’m not sure I’m going to do this, but just tell me, what would I need to do?

Jesus:                  Well, can I use the board and just write down a few things. Your progression is dependant upon, in particular, your relationship with your creator, and the more closer you want to become with your creator, the more happiness you will experience in your own life.

N. L. D./Man:     Why do I need a creator?

Jesus:                  Well you don’t need one now you exist. The truth is you just have one.  God created you and so you have a creator, God is the source of your existence, so…

N. L. D./Man:     Does a man such as myself really think in this way, I am, I know I have not thought in this way, I am a manly man!

Jesus:                  Yes, I can tell that, …and, this way that you’ve been living, …how long have you been in the spirit world now, if you mind my asking?

N. L. D./Man:     I know not.

Jesus:                  No? Do you know what location in the spirit world you live in?

N. L. D./Man:     No!

Jesus:                  No, maybe, uh, one of the other spirits who are in a brighter condition could tell you the location you are in and then you can tell us. What are they saying?

N. L. D./Man:     I am in the First Sphere, whatever that means!

Jesus:                  Ok, there is a lot of dimensions or spheres in the spirit world, ok, …when you first pass from the earth, so here’s earth (Jesus draws earth on the board), when you first pass from the earth, you pass, often times into the first sphere (Jesus draws a number of different spheres above the earth) and the reason why is because of how much love is in your soul.  And each sphere is another dimensional existence; it’s another type of existence, and each one with greater happiness.  So the happiness levels go up every time you go into a new sphere, and into another sphere and into another sphere (Jesus drawing more spheres) and there are many, many spheres above you, above the first sphere.  And if you want to keep progressing through those spheres you will need to develop in love.  And what that means is you’ll need to develop the way you feel about others and also the way you feel about God inside of yourself. Now you don’t’ have to…

N. L. D./Man:     To do this, to do this? Hold on! Hold on a minute!  To do this, will I retain my manliness, because this is extremely important to me?

Jesus:                  Well, you will certainly retain your masculinity, yes.  But as for your definition of manliness, that’s partly the issue as to why you don’t love.  Why your love is in disharmony with Gods love.  And that is something that you will possibly need to address in the future.  But you will certainly retain your masculinity, in other words you will always be a man.  Does that make sense?

N. L. D./Man:     Yes, Yes!

Jesus:                  But there’s things about how you treat women at the moment which are in disharmony with love and you will need to…

N. L. D./Man:     But men are men!

Jesus:                  True but women are women too.

N. L. D./Man:     They are there for us!

Jesus:                  Well that’s the problem!  That’s one of the problems as to why you’re in the first sphere, because you treat women as if they are there for men’s pleasure. And that’s not…

N. L. D./Man:     Of course they are!

Jesus:                  But that’s not in harmony with love.

N. L. D./Man:     It’s in harmony with my love!

Jesus:                  I know it is in harmony with yours, and that’s what the problem is, that’s why you’re in the first sphere and not in the second or the third or the fourth or the fifth sphere enjoying more happiness than your currently experiencing.

N. L. D./Man:     So now I know about these other spheres, because I had no prior knowledge, so I can just get there, I can just move forward.

Jesus:                  You can move forward but only by becoming more and more in harmony with love.

N. L. D./Man:     That’s the only way!  I cannot force myself there, as I did here, to talk to you now?

Jesus:                  No, you can’t, you can try if you want, but you won’t be successful doing that. (Pause)  It doesn’t matter how a manly a man you are, you will not be able to get into the second sphere unless you are more in harmony with love.

N. L. D./Man:     And what will I gain from the second sphere?

Jesus:                  Besides more happiness?  Can you describe your current surroundings where you currently live?  Are they very pretty, very nice and beautiful?

N. L. D./Man:     They are not pretty, but they are adequate for my desires.

Jesus:                  Ok.

N. L. D./Man:     I am used to a certain way of living, it is adequate but it’s sometimes a little boring maybe.

Jesus:                  Well imagine a place where you can have a mansion and have, like, everything beautiful and colourful!  Anything that you create you can intend it from your…

N. L. D./Man:     My sexual desires can be created there too!

Jesus:                  Certainly, your sexual desire can be, … can be looked after, certainly, but not in the way that you currently do it. The problem, …the problem that you are experiencing at the moment, is that your treatment of women is very much in disharmony with love and because of that you are not going to progress until you deal with that particular issue, …and being what you call a manly man is not what a real man would do. A real man would treat his women with respect, kindness and love.

N. L. D./Man:     I do not know men such as that!

Jesus:                  I know you don’t.

N. L. D./Man:     All those that I spend time with are very similar to myself.

Jesus:                  And they have a habit of treating women as badly.

N. L. D./Man:     This is the way we know.

Jesus:                  I know it is the way you know, but it happens to be in disharmony with love.  That’s why you are not progressing from the first sphere into the second…

N. L. D./Man:     Ok, well I want to progress.

Jesus:                  Yes.

N. L. D./Man:     I am also a man of ambition.

Jesus:                  Very good.

N. L. D./Man:     Tell me the easiest way!

Jesus:                  What, …what I am going to suggest to you is that there is a brighter spirit who wants to speak with you, who was at once in your condition.  He’s nearby; he’s going to just show himself to you now.  (Pause)

N. L. D./Man:     I see that.

Jesus:                  And he was in, …once in your condition where he treated women…

N. L. D./Man:     How can I know this?

Jesus:                  Well he can tell you his experience and you can decide whether you want to trust what he is saying to you or not.

N. L. D./Man:     Ok.

Jesus:                  Does that make sense? 

N. L. D./Man:     Yes.

Jesus:                  And if you just listen to him about what he had to do to progress, in order to progress through the dimensions of the spirit world, from the first sphere into the second sphere and so forth, that would help you a lot if you decided to follow his advice.  My suggestion is to follow his advice and to try the experiments that he suggests to you.  And after you do that, see what happens then.

N. L. D./Man:     I, I will continue with this investigation!

Jesus:                  Ok, it’s been a pleasure talking with you.

N. L. D./Man:     Thank you